I'm fine with that. A faction heavy missile launcher cost upward 60 mill last I checked. Just how many noobs are going to take advantage of the slightly better than T1 dps at that price tag? Faction stuff is bling. It should be useful bling. Besides, faction ballistics are better than T2 yet have the skill requirements of T1 ballistics. So why is every 10 day old character not sporting CNB? Cost of course. They cost 100 million apiece. My change just makes more faction stuff useful. Seriously. Just how many people do you see using CNML?

This would make Faction weapons better than T2. Which is as it should be. As it is there is no point to faction weaponry because you get less dps. Now you could get more. There would be an extra level to achieve when pimping a ship a little.

Then how do you respond to the noobs argument? Theoretically every new char should be able to use the CNB, but they don't. Price clearly has something to do with it.

By the way I just checked my eft. I don't know anything about pve nightmares but as for the tengu you only get 14 extra dps from a set of faction launchers (using an rr tengu max skills and cn scourge missiles) 300 million for 14 dps is not realistic which is why I don't think these missile launchers see much use.

One of the main challenges of EVE is cost effectiveness. Right now i don't think faction launchers and other weapons have a role, partially due to high cost and partially due to their being worse than T2.

Ok, I think you are not understanding my points so I will rephrase them because you have a cool bio.

1) The newbie point is obviously not to say that we should make everything accessible to newbies. Just the opposite. I was pointing out (and I still am) that the idea that cost does not balance things is wrong, because in the case of a newbie the only thing thats stopping him from fitting a faction module is cost. Do see my point? He can use the module so skillpoints do not factor into the balancing in this case, merely cost. Therefore cost plays a factor in balancing, thats all I'm saying.

2) This should be obvious but I guess it isn't. BY ITS VERY NATURE price determines cost effectiveness. That is what cost effectiveness IS. How expensive is something vs how useful it is. This is perfectly related to my point which is that there is not a significant benefit (and indeed in many cases there is an uncompensated drawback) for using faction weaponry. Perhaps you thought when I said cost effectiveness I meant cheap. That would be incorrect. I am talking about the principle of cost vs use. This principle is proven when you see tons of tengus with CNB. There is a use for the CNB to compensate for the cost. There is not for faction launchers, in general.

3) As stated Previously, faction mods ARE cost effective. They are not cheap. But there is about a 100 dps increase from them at least for Tengu's which means less time doing sites more safety and more profit. Cost effectiveness can be summarized like this: Does it make sense to buy this item at this price? Can my money be better spent elsewhere? In the case of the CNB's the answer is NO! CNB's are the best mod for you money if you want to add faction gear to you ship. The answer to CNHML is YES! your money can be spent better in a million other areas! CN HML and other faction weapons are overpriced and inferior to T2 in the vast majority of situations.

Allow faction weapons (and all weapons greater than meta 5) to use T2 ammunition and be affected by the specialization skills. This would provide better modules to reach for in the offensive category, just like the defensive modules have their better faction variants.

It seems that the modules that are ONLY better for their fitting and are indeed worse in the actual specialty of that module, are hardly used at all.

I think you what you did here is just counter your own arguments. Basically if i for example someone fights in 24th crusade(just an example) AND HE WANTS JUST PEW PEW and just PVP. After all you said game should be about pvp and fun. Then why he is forced to buy from damn PVE industrials. He should be able to get his guns from 24th store. This player should have his damn right to actually **** on industrials all the time. But no he is directly connected to what those risk awerse players do, what prices they set. If he could buy GOOD enough guns from his own faction store. Then it would be good, not the other way.

You are trying to say game should be balanced about PVP, but in fact you support PVE over PVP all the way.

Don't fool yourself guys, a big part of ship cost is in guns/ammo/drones. And as now it's that there IS NO option among weapons - its either T2 or ... nothing. With ammo it's diffrent story but not much better tbh. It's still often better (scorch for example). Drones ? Another bullshit. Since when Gallente Federation cannot produce superior drones to ordinary T2 hobgoblins ? I though they are best drone race around (maybe after Rogue Drones lol). Atm some random industrial guy can outdo best Federation Navy work in some random deep in ass industrial station.

Hell yeah work as intended...

It seems that the modules that are ONLY better for their fitting and are indeed worse in the actual specialty of that module, are hardly used at all.

Yeah cept no one really uses officer guns. Now can you really make an argument for why someone who has the flexibility of picking different ammo types with T2 guns would settle for something many times the price that cannot even do what a T2 weapon can do? Its ridiculous.

This would make Faction weapons better than T2. Which is as it should be. As it is there is no point to faction weaponry because you get less dps. Now you could get more. There would be an extra level to achieve when pimping a ship a little.